I'm a graduate of Texas A&M University. Two years ago two members of our Texas A&M core cadets were charged for hazing. In 1984, a core cadet actually died going through some exercises. Hazing is about culture. It is about institutions where you largely have young folks who are in control of these institutions.
You also have alumni members, graduate members who have a belief that if you want to go through what I went through, I have a greater appreciation of you as a member. So if you don't go through it, then I don't regard you in the same way. So that kind of peer pressure is applied.
You can have all the rules in place, but but you have to have peers who are saying, I cannot allow this because you're not going to tarnish our reputation and put us in jeopardy by your actions. And you clearly have to have state laws where people understand that you can go to jail if you're engaged in this behavior. But most importantly, you have to have individuals who say we're not going to allow this culture to go forward.
When I pledged in spring of 1989, Alpha Phi Alpha, I made it clear to my brothers that I'm not getting beat by somebody. It's not going to happen. But here's what was interesting. When I went to my national convention that summer, and we talked about hazing, I had some brothers in the chapter who said, hey, man, don't tell anybody you didn't get hazed or you didn't get any wood -- which means paddling.
And I said wait a minute, if we pledged me in the right way, why should we not say it? You have to have people in bands, in fraternities, in sororities looking at somebody else and saying, you might be my brother or my sister or a band member, but you're not going to do that. You're not going to jeopardize us by your actions.
That's what is required. And we need young people coming into these bands saying, I'm not taking a beating simply because I want to play an instrument. I went through this with folks who said you have to get beat because you're in the band. I said no, I'm not. It's not going to happen.